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Sunday, June 25, 2006
"Gospel of Barnabas"

نظرات في إنجيل برنابا المبشر بــ نبؤه النبي محمد صلى الله علية و سلم.

وجدت هذا الكتاب القديم "نوعاً ما" في مكتبة عمي الخاصة (شوي ممزق من الجنب فأصلحت الصورة ببرنامج)،
عموماً هو يحمل بعض النصوص من إنجيل بارناباس و التي ترتكز على 3 محاور مهمة: وحدانية الله ، عدم الصلب ، ونبؤه النبي محمد صلى الله عليه و سلم.
مع أن الكتاب موجود بالمكتبة منذ زمن لكني لم أركز عليه بصدق ...فقط الآن قررت أن القي نظرة خاطفة لمحتواها و قصته. الكتاب طبعاً يؤيد هذا الإنجيل و انه صحيح مع كثير من الاستعراض و الشرح و التأكيدات.
وبما أني لم اقرأ بقية الأناجيل لأحكم لكني أتفق معه في بعض النقاط التي نعرفها كمسلمين.
ولهذا قررت أن ابحث عنه و وجدت هذه الوصلات عنه:

موقع تعليمي عن إنجيل بارناباس و به فصول الإنجيل كاملة:
http://www.barnabas.net/

بحثت عن الإنجيل برنابا بالعربي ، فوجدت أغلبها هجوم علية و دحضه ، منها هذه الوصلة التي تقدم 50 دليلاً على خرافة و زور الكتاب و صاحبة "بعضها معقول و بعضها لا و بعضها لا اعرف عنه الكثير":
http://www.servant13.net/abdelmesih/f_abdelmeseih_2_3.htm

في نظرتي البسيطة المتواضعة أقول لربما هو ليس متقن و به بعض الأخطاء ولربما مسألة الترجمات هي ما زاد من ضياع بعض معانية الأصلية ، لكن ألا تحمل بقية الأناجيل من التحريف ما يكفيها! ، ومن جهة أخرى اعتبره جيد كونه يقدم بعض الحقائق بشكل صحيح.

هل لي أن اعرف آرائكم؟




"Gospel of Barnabas"

What happened that I found a book in my uncle library about the Gospel of Barnabas and how it's announcing the prophecy of Prophet Mohammed.
I read it and it was really interesting… there were few texts of this Gospel and the main topics are: the oneness of One God, the refutation of crucifixion and the prophecy of Prophet Mohammed. But there were other interesting topics as well.
Anyways, I went to Google to see more and I found this:


Educational site on the Gospel of Barnabas
http://www.barnabas.net/

:Chosen Text:
((Then said Jesus: `With your words I am not consoled, because where ye hope for light darkness shall come; but my consolation is in the coming of the messenger, who shall destroy every false opinion of me, and his faith shall spread and shall take hold of the whole world, for so hath God promised to Abraham our father. And that which giveth me consolation is that his faith shall have no end, but shall be kept inviolate by God.'))

I went also searching in Arabic to see my dear Arab Christians and what they say. Wow, they are more opposed to this gospel than westerners as I found out. Most of the links attacking this gospel and falsify it.

One of these link "in Arabic of course" claiming to have 50 evidences prove that this Gospel is fictitious and spurious. Well, I read them and to be honest…they have good points in some, but other ones are not real to me, besides, I didn't read the other bibles to know the differences!. Anyways, I think it's good and despite some of its unreal facts, still has real facts and reasonable. Aren't the other gospels got same distortions?!

http://www.servant13.net/abdelmesih/f_abdelmeseih_2_3.htm

Now, what do you think about all this?

posted by Sama Oman @ 12:09 PM  
57 Comments:
  • At June 25, 2006 2:02 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    Sama:

    Don't be mad if I don't comment on this a lot, okay?

    I don't want to get into an argument! Something about my personality: I just have a habit of sounding like arguing even when I don't mean to. I want to concentrate on what unites us Christian and Muslim brothers and sisters, not what divides us. It doesn't mean you did something wrong; it's just my approach...

    It's interesting though that you read what Christian Arabs are saying. Where did you find that?

     
  • At June 25, 2006 2:39 PM, Blogger >>Sama Oman said…

    Oh, Jeff.
    That's what I was afraid of when I was thinking not to write here about this book, but put it only in my other blog.

    Well, let me say this:
    I didn't mean to create any division between us. It's a book I found made me thinking.
    Also, this Gospel has been found by westerners and has been translated to English by them and then an Christian Arab translated to Arabic in 1908. I wanted to see what Christians say in the west and in the east say about this Gospel. So, I found the eastern Christians are more opposed.

    As for Christian Arabs I just searched in Google by using the Arabic words of this Gospel, and the links mostly seems to be attacking this Gospel. Anyways, I didn't mean anything wrong. I thought maybe we could discuss about it… one of you can give us clear idea about that. We could find new facts, new truth, we should try to learn …try to see and use our minds.
    In the book here I found in the last page a question, the Christians fast in the day before the Easter…right. WHY? Because they do what Jesus did and fast like him, but why Jesus fasted?!!! . there was no answer…so WHY?

    ***
    PS: I could write this only in Arabic and discuss with Arabs only, but I thought I can't ignore other readers and exclude them.

    Sorry if I made you sad and mad with me, I didn't mean anything but peaceful dialogue with readers. Anyway, I will never write here about religious topics never ever again except my own religion. All these things will be in my other blog.

     
  • At June 25, 2006 3:24 PM, Blogger Nash said…

    I find religous topics very interesting, as long as they are discussed in a proper matured manner...

    Where is your other blog Sama dear?

     
  • At June 26, 2006 12:12 AM, Blogger Jeff said…

    Sama, Sama, Sama!

    You misunderstood me, I promise!

    I never was mad; not even a little bit! I promise!

    I am very American, I always say exactly what I feel. If I am mad, I say, "Guess what? I am mad!" You never have to wonder what I am secretly feeling---just read the surface and you get the complete answer!

    You got it backwards. I was afraid that if I tried to answer your question I might make YOU mad at ME! And I was also afraid that I might disappoint you if I didn't answer.

    I'll tell you one secret: It's very hard to make me mad! I never felt even irritated with you, not once!

    It's this words on a computer screen--you can't hear my voice or see my face. If you could, you would know I am not mad! :-)

    I have had many Muslim friends over the years. And when they get to know you really well, then they tell you what they really think! I love that! They decide they can criticize...and sometimes they forget that you are a kaffir and talk just like they would to another Muslim and talk about their fears, etc., etc. And I have heard everything, believe me. I have had kids of one friend laughing and making fun of what Christians do in church. I didn't get mad or even sad! I have had people get angry at me and say bad things about my religion. I still didn't get mad. Never once. Never, I promise. (Of course, I have had good, deep discussions, too, and found spiritual closeness with Muslims as well.)

    So, tomorrow, I will come back and try to answer your questions the best way I know how...but promise to be gentle with me if I say something wrong, okay?

    Like I said before, you didn't make any mistake at all. It's a good post and very good question. We are friends, we don't fight over silly things, do we?

    One day, if you hear my voice, you will see what kind of person I am. I am easygoing and friendly about these things. It's just that I like to argue and I sometimes hurt people by mistake. See?

    You understand? You believe me? I'm sad now because I didn't want to hurt your feelings; that's the last thing I wanted!

     
  • At June 26, 2006 9:10 AM, Blogger Jeff said…

    Okay, here's my try...

    Christians have four Gospels in our Bible: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. (The only one I know how to say in Arabic is 'John', which is 'Yahya.') All Christians--Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants--accept all four and only these four Gospels.

    There are other writings called 'Gospels,' that are not accepted by Christians. Not just Barnabas, but also Thomas and even Judas.

    Long before Mohammed's time, the decision to accept these four only was made by all of our Fathers. The rejected Gospels usually have a lot of 'magic'--one of them has Jesus as a boy killing another boy who touched him by mistake! Most of them are what we call "Gnostic". That means they have the idea that people's bodies are evil and the world is just a dream created by the Devil and we need to escape from our bodies--things like that. So all these Gospels are rejected because this Gnostic idea is not a Christian idea. Christians believe that the body and the world are good and were created by God, even though they are infected by sin.

    **

    Now, you asked, "Don't the other Gospels have distortions"? Of course, some people think so, but not Christians! They are like the Quran for us, we accept that they are the Word of God and they tell the Truth.

    **

    Fasting before Easter? We do some fasting and other things before Easter, but not the DAY before Easter. It's the FORTY DAYS before Easter. That's called "Lent."

    We do penance in general during Lent, not just fasting. The thing you would notice among us is that we choose to give something up. For example, I might give up my computer for Lent except emergencies. Or I might give up all reading for fun. Or I might give up TV. Or I might pray for an hour on my knees. Things like that. And every Friday of Lent, Catholics don't eat meat.

    Lent starts on Wednesday, we call it "Ash Wednesday." Catholics go to Mass and the priest puts ashes on our forehead in the sign of the Cross and he says, "Remember, Man, that you are Dust and to Dust you will return." This reminds us that we will die and that the only important thing is to try to serve God. On this day we fast. I usually try to eat nothing, even water, for twenty-four hours.

    We also fast on Good Friday. That's TWO days before Easter. It's the day Christ died. Easter, if you didn't know, is the day he rose from the dead, as we believe.

    The forty days is for two reasons. First, because it's a time to prepare and purify ourselves before Easter. It's a little bit like Ramadan and then Eid at the end.

    But the forty days comes from Christ's fasting in the wilderness. The Bible tells us that Jesus lived at home for many years subject to his mother and step-father, Mary and Joseph. Then, he began his public ministry of teaching and doing miracles. But before he started the public ministry, he went out into the desert and fasted and prayed alone for forty days to prepare.

    So we take the forty days to imitate Christ's fast and we prepare for Easter like he prepared for his public ministry.

    The day before Easter? That's called Holy Saturday. On that day, it's the only day of the year when we have no Mass in any Catholic Church. Nothing happens...Christ is dead and in the tomb and we are waiting in the dark and the quiet with broken hearts and the world seems empty...

    And then...an explosion of Light and Joy! Easter and "Alleluia, He is Risen!" and Death is Killed Forever. Even thinking of it now, I have tears on my face.

    Now, my comment is long and maybe too much information! But I tried to do what you asked. If it's not right or if anything bothers you, please forgive me, Sama. I didn't mean it. I just tried to show you how it looks and feels for a Christian, that's all, to use my mind and my heart.

     
  • At June 27, 2006 12:20 PM, Blogger >>Sama Oman said…

    Nash: That's what I meant, Hope Layal came and saw this post as she drove me to put it here not THERE.

    LOOL ….as for THERE, I can't tell what is my other Blog *~*….it's a big secret. Go back and see my 3rd post here and you will understand WHY?.
    Well, it's secret and only 2 other persons know…my dear friends: AP-F and Abeer =D


    Oh, Jeff… Never mind. I can handle anything now. I met there with many people and I learnt how to control myself and talk with them nicely and peacefully. I know how to deal with others when it comes to religious topics. I really appreciate your concern about my feelings and never ever think anything you say will disappoint me. We should have our own opinions and we should disagree to see the same thing in different angles and by wide perspective. I did that many times, don't worry :D

    As for your answer, it's superb. It's really good and I know the names of the 4 gospels. As for the Arabic names, I know Matthew= Mata, Luke=Looqa , there are other words like Maraqas maybe for Mark and Yohana maybe for John. Well, I don't think John=Yahya as I know Yahya=Jonathan. That's what I know….!!
    I liked your explanation about the "Gnostic"…I never knew about this!! So weird indeed. No wonder then to reject such fables like that.
    Yes, this word "Lent" is for the big fast that you do.
    Really interesting things you do and again I never knew things like that. So interesting.
    Yes, I was thinking exactly that you are having your own Ramadan time. so COOL.
    Oh, Jeff…my DEAR. I really enjoyed reading what you have gave me. I really imagined each thing you wrote.
    Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity to see and feel the Christians religious rituals. It was really wonderful.
    Thank you so much.
    Praise God

     
  • At June 27, 2006 2:35 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    Thanks for the compliment. I'm glad I didn't make you mad and thank you for sharing what is in my heart! You are a kind friend--that's why I want to be careful and not make you mad by mistake! ;-)

    Here is a panorama of my church in Washington DC on Ascension Day. It was in the Washington Post newspaper.

    Old St. Mary's Church Panorama

    You probably saw panoramas before, but if you didn't, you have to wait for it to load and then you can move it all around with your mouse and see the picture from every angle. Make sure to turn your speakers on when the panorama finishes loading and you will hear the amazing singing we had that day! You might have to sign up as a user for the Washington Post, but it's free.

    **

    Thanks for the info on the names, too.

    But what did you mean that you learned how to get along with people of different religions "there." What do you mean "there"? Did you spend time abroad in the West or something? Or just online discussions?

     
  • At June 29, 2006 6:06 AM, Blogger >>Sama Oman said…

    Jeff. How could you make me mad…I really enjoyed knowing all these explanations.
    Nice to increase my knowledge about other religions.
    Thank you so much for the link.
    I downloaded the panorama file to my PC and I watched this gorgeous church with the charming singing. I even gave my brothers this panorama to see. One of them was amazed and he joked with me: what is the big idea? Why you are so interested on Christianity? Are you planning to convert or what?!!!
    Hahahahahahahahah
    No…what a silly question!!
    But I'm fascinated by religions and I love to see the ART of the churches. I saw wonderful paintings on TV and magazines from churches. That was really COOL.
    As for the singing. It was really touching…but to be honest, I love to the way of their singing, while I'm not sure what they are saying!! Verses from the bible! Can you give me the text to try follow them and see. It's so nice indeed.
    I have another silly question to you. As I watched on TV many times, I saw the priest giving the people in church like a white thing into their mouths. What is that thing??!!!!
    Silly question Huh… :(

     
  • At June 29, 2006 9:59 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    I'm glad you enjoyed it, Sama! Very glad. I'm proud of my church, it is beautiful, isn't it? Usually, we sit in the front of the church and I could tell you, "Look there that is us in the front, sitting," because you could see us in the panorama.

    But that day my sister came with her baby from far away, so we sat in the back so she could go in and out when the baby cried. So you can't see us! We are too far back, underneath the balcony... :-(

    ***

    The music is just a little piece of one song that they play over and over. It starts in the beginning of a sentence. It's in Latin and it goes, "...et Apostolicam Ecclesiam. Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. Et vitam venturi sæculi. Amen"

    (At least, you can understand, 'Amen, Amen' at the end... :-) )

    In English, it means, "...and Apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead. And the life of the world to come. Amen."

    This is from our big statement of our beliefs (a Creed) we say on Sunday. On a big feast day, we sing it! It starts like this, "I believe in One God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, of everything visible and invisible..." But that part isn't in the music you can hear.


    ****

    Your question? What is the white thing? Oh my God, Sama, this isn't a dumb question. Huge books have been written about what is that white thing, so don't feel dumb!

    That's the most important thing in the world for us. If you look at it, your eyes see a little round piece of hard, flat bread like a cracker--a communion wafer. You want to see how it looks up close?:

    Communion Wafer

    Now, how do Catholics understand this? How can I explain it? Let me tell you two stories from the Bible as an introduction. It's just the surface, just a taste, not a complete explanation.

    Jesus was teaching one day and he told his followers something like this:

    "I am the Bread of Life. I am the Living Bread which came down from Heaven. If any man eats of this Bread, he will live forever. And the Bread that I give is my Body; I give it for the life of the World."

    And his followers said, "Whaaaaaat? How can this man give us his Body to eat?"

    And Jesus said, "Truly, Truly, I say to you, if you don't eat my Body and drink my Blood, you won't have Life in you. My Body is real Food and My Blood is real Drink. If you eat My Body and drink My Blood, you will live in Me and I will live in you."

    And his followers said, "This is crazy talk, who could possibly believe it?" And most of them went away and left him from that day.

    But he asked Peter, the leader of the Twelve Apostles, "Will you also go away?"

    And Peter, who also didn't understand any of what Jesus said, replied, "Lord, who can we go to? You have the words of Eternal Life."

    Then, some time afterward, it was three days before Easter. It was time for the Passover feast and Jesus and the Apostles went to eat it a certain room in al-Quds. And after the meal, Jesus took bread, and He blessed it, and He broke it, and He gave it to them. And he said, "Take this all of you and eat it. This is my Body, which will be given up for you."

    Then He took the cup, filled with wine, and He said, "Take this all of you and drink from it. This is the Cup of My Blood, the Blood of the New and Eternal Covenant. It will be shed for you and for many so that sins may be forgiven. Whenever you do what I am doing now, remember me."

    If I try to explain more, I will just be more confusing I think. But if you want to feel a little bit about what the little white thing means to us, look at these pictures and maybe you will get a feeling for it. You can see it a little through my eyes and my heart, your friend, Jeff...

    HOLY COMMUNION AND THE BLESSED SACRAMENT, THE HEART OF CATHOLICISM:

    +-IHS-+

    Benediction by Our Pope

    The Bread of Heaven

    The Angels Adore Him

    'This Is My Body'

    Little Girl--Her First Communion!--And a New White Communion Dress!


    Sorry! Too long. Too confusing. Too strange. But I did my best.

     
  • At June 29, 2006 10:08 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    For some reason two of the links don't work.

    Here is "This is My Body":

    http://www.bspenance.org/elev_host.jpg

    Here is "The Bread of Heaven":

    http://www.leavesofgold.org/gallery/boh/images/hours40.jpg

     
  • At June 29, 2006 10:18 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    One more picture. I can't resist! Then I'll quit...


    Pope John Paul II (The Previous Pope) Giving Benediction

     
  • At June 30, 2006 10:38 AM, Blogger layal said…

    والله يا سما انا سمعت اناشيدهم علي الطبيعه مو في التلفزيون خصوصا لما تكون مع الموسيقى شي عجيب
    تجذب الواحد انه يسمعها
    حلو طرحكم للموضوع وحديثكم فلازم نشكر جف
    thanks jeff for your explanation
    :-)

     
  • At June 30, 2006 12:57 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    You are welcome Layal! Can you or someone else tell me what the Arabic part of your comment says?

     
  • At July 01, 2006 12:55 AM, Blogger layal said…

    jeff i was following your explanation for sama
    that's why i thank you
    & what i said is that i've heard church songs it was really amzing-
    I've been in church before.
    I've read alot not just about chritiante but all realgion as it very intersting topic for me

     
  • At July 01, 2006 3:12 AM, Blogger >>Sama Oman said…

    Jeff:
    Yeah… I forgot to ask you about the people in that panorama…if you were there and maybe you are one of them. There are women and men with the priests. So, you were down under the balcony….so sad :(

    I liked the story of Jesus and the followers. I understood immediately what he meant by his words… it was a figurative expression. He meant they should share what they have even if it is so little and be giving and modest. Therefore, when he ate with Apostles, he divided the bread and the drink to share it and want them to share and be giving people. Well, not only in food and drink, "and not specifically wine", but with all things that can be shared and can help others and gather all people under one roof…the roof of brotherhood.
    So, that white thing called "Communion Wafer". Lovely!!
    Thank you for the picture…I liked them so much…I love Pope John Paul II….I really did. Well, the new one is not that charming and COOL as him, but maybe he will be as good as the ex-pope!

    Oh, only this link was blocking and I don't know why OmanTel blocked it :(
    http://www.pettipond.com/laterimages/images_y/communion/t_kneeling.jpg

    I remember once I wanted to visit an educational site and it was blocking by them…What The… !!???
    NO, I didn't sent any e-mail to them about that…I wasn't care that much to contact them.
    Well, at least…I saw all the pictures you gave me and I saved them in my PC.
    Yeah…I will tell my brothers about that again…hehehehehe…let me see what they will say :D

    Thank you sooooooooooo much.

    Layal: thank you...coz you pushed me to put it here, not in my other islamic blog. but where is this church that you visit?????

     
  • At July 01, 2006 11:18 AM, Blogger layal said…

    It is in bahrain
    sorry sama sorry jeff i know my English spelling is not that much
    any way i will try to improve it here with u sama :-)

     
  • At July 01, 2006 12:00 PM, Blogger >>Sama Oman said…

    Oh No...Layal ...
    your english is so good and don't be shame to try and write.
    by that you will learn and know your mistakes.
    How we can ever learn the right without making mistakes ;)

     
  • At July 01, 2006 1:44 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    Very nice Layal, your English is good! I love Bahrain, I've always wanted to see it since I was a child...

    But we never hear about it; the last time was when the Princess ran away with the soldier!

    It's a small country, but an ancient culture, something precious like a pearl. At least, I think so. The sweetest of the small Gulf sheikhdoms.

     
  • At July 01, 2006 2:04 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    Ah, Sama! :-)

    You were so nice. And you did a very good job understanding! Except for this:

    We don't think Jesus was speaking figuratively at all. All the ancient Churches of the West and the East don't think that at all. Thomas Aquinas, our great philosopher said: "For this the truth does not come through the eyes or the taste, but through the ears, through hearing the Truth." In the Bible, St. Paul says when you approach for communion, you have to recognize the Lord, or you are doing something bad. And we point out that if Jesus only meant what he said as a symbol, then His followers would not have gone away! Or he could have explained it to them.

    But don't worry, this is one of our deepest and most difficult teachings and we don't claim to understand it well! And if you want to ask more questions, or tease me, it's fine! Everybody says, "You Catholics believe whaaaaaaaat?!?!?!" :-D

    I will put a couple of links later for the tabernacle and the tabernacle lamp and also for the music for Pange Lingua Gloriosi, and then leave it unless you want to ask or say more.

    Anyway, the Protestants, who started in the year 1500, would agree with you! They say we are superstitious! :-D

    However, the Protestant churches are not so beautiful as ours! ;-)

     
  • At July 01, 2006 10:11 PM, Blogger Jeff said…

    Okay, let me give a better answer to "What is the white thing" for Catholics, now that you have the background. We believe that under the appearance of bread, we receive Christ. Not pieces of Him, but all of Him.

    The way we say it is, "Under the appearance of bread, we receive the whole Christ, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity."

    So, when we finish Mass, if any "white things" (we call them "Hosts") are left over, we put them in something called a "tabernacle", like a beautiful box.

    A Catholic Tabernacle in America

    Another Catholic Tabernacle in Austria

    And we light a candle, in red glass, usually hanging from the ceiling, to show that Christ is present in the tabernacle.

    Sanctuary Lamp

    And we sing hymns to the Blessed Sacrament, including this one: you can listen to the MIDI, but it's an instrumental version. In my church, a choir sings it, it's from about 750 years ago...

    Pange Lingua Gloriosa

    And her is a picture of my church--St. Mary, Mother of God--from the outside, if you are curious. (It's the same one as in the panorama, of course.)

    link name

    And since you are curious about religious rituals and watching videos online, this one is wonderful. Left click on the little screen and make it big. And turn on your speakers so you can listen. It's the Installation Mass for Pope Benedict in Rome. It's long, you can just watch a bit, if you are curious.

    Beautiful Ceremony, Wonderful Music

    (I hope all the links work this time!)

    Now you know all our secrets! ;-)

    And since you are so nice being interested in my religion, here is a link for the Islamic Center in Washington. It's very beautiful and I have taken many Muslim friends there:

    Islamic Center, Washington

     
  • At July 02, 2006 1:34 PM, Blogger >>Sama Oman said…

    Oh…I didn't think, but…how.
    Well, I don't know really.

    Superstitious….Are You?! ;)

    I don't know anything about the Protestants or their churches, but what is the different between the churches??!!.

    Anyways, I liked the new pictures…so lovely. The tabernacle is rally beautiful….i liked the whole pictures…I watched The Inaugural Mass of Pope Benedict XVI in Rome online and I liked the way of their singing. I downloaded the MIDI music to my PC :-)

    I liked the last link :D

    Yes, so lovely site, despite the page of information about Islam is under construction…but still nice.

    Thank you so much.

     
  • At July 23, 2008 6:47 AM, Blogger historian said…

    السلام عليكم يا اخت سما .. انا باحييكى على موقفك من انجيل برنابا .. و احب ادلك على موقع يمكنك تحميله منه بالعربية

    http://www.4shared.com/file/47170554/15ba4f03/Arabic_GOB.html

    و اتمنى نكون اصدقاء لو ما كانش عندك مانع

     
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